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Not moved, 16 December 2023, to Child Sexual Abuse Material, see discussion.
Not moved, 16 August 2024, to Child sexual abuse material, see discussion.

Gamer's Dilemma

I feel that this is largely out of place with the page as it discusses Simulated child pornography rather than "real" child pornography, should this be moved to the aforementioned page or similar ones or be kept as is? MagiTagi (talk) 16:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second Magi's opinion, I believe it should be moved elsewhere as it seems to be conflating the two as if they were equivalent which said relation is hotly debated at very best and can be seen as outright slanderous at worst. Though this might just be because I am not sure if the "Gamer's Dilemma" is referring specifically to hyperrealistic simulations made to be indistinguishable from actual child pornography, or instead was referring to/also including cartoon/anime pornography such as lolicon/shotacon where a direct relation between the fictional material and realistic depictions of actual child sexual exploitation is pretty much nonexistent, in general, I think it is important that we differentiate the two from each other, but I still think either way it should probably go to another article. GigaMigaDigaChad (talk) 00:08, 10 March 2024 (EST)

Requested move 16 August 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 06:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Child pornography → Child sexual abuse material – While "child pornography" has been generally accepted as the WP:COMMONNAME for this topic, the article title policy is clear that that is not the only thing we must consider, and that article titles must also be neutral. I think there is also an argument that the common name has shifted in more recent times, with news outlets, academia, government agencies, and NGOs increasingly shifting to use "CSAM" (and similar terms).

As is outlined in Child pornography#Terminology and definitions, there has been a broad shift towards using "child sexual abuse material" (or similar terms) as the more neutral term that avoids the inaccurate description of abusive material as consensual pornography. This usage is supported by experts and academics as well as industry/law enforcement organizations including NCMEC (ex) and the US Department of Justice (ex) in the US, the UK Home Office (ex) in the UK, etc. Per the DOJ: While this phrase still appears in federal law, “child sexual abuse material” is preferred, as it better reflects the abuse that is depicted in the images and videos and the resulting trauma to the child. In fact, in 2016, an international working group, comprising a collection of countries and international organizations working to combat child exploitation, formally recognized “child sexual abuse material” as the preferred term. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 17:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't think that the current title implies that child pornography is consensual. Besides, "child sexual abuse material" is used only by a small minority of reliable sources, while "child pornography" is still the mainstream definition by a big margin. Only five of the 86 sources in this article seem to refer to this as "child sexual abuse material". Titling this article with a new term used by only a minority of reliable sources would not be neutral, at least not until the paradigm possibly changes in the future. Badbluebus (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support per nom—blindlynx 00:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. Many reliable sources continue to call it "child pornography", so it remains the current common name. O.N.R. ^(talk) 07:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. The nominator has provided no evidence that child pornography is a non-neutral term. The opinions of these agencies don't appear to be widely held views.Esolo5002 (talk) 17:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per others. It is the common name. Svampesky (talk) 18:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for all the reasons we opposed it last time and the evidence that it is non-neutral is slim and do not outweigh COMMONNAME. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the common name is inaccurate and reflects misconceptions that child abuse sexual material could ever be in the same category as consensual pornography. The current name is non-neutral with a bias towards advocates of legalized pedophilia which is something we should strongly oppose regardless of how it was normalized in the past. Jorahm (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The term 'child pornography' is the established and commonly used phrase. Waqar💬 17:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per very clear common name. Nothing has changed since the previous RM nine months ago. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While I can understand the motivation of those who wish to encourage alternative terminology, 'child pornography' is currently by far the most commonly used term. Wikipedia reflects current usage, it does not set out to change it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2024

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Add this to the Distribution and receipt section: In 2023, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children’s CyberTipline received 36.2 million reports of suspected child sexual exploitation, an increase of 12% from 2022.(Redacted)

References: ^[1] ^[2] TruthToPower2022 (talk) 20:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. “CyberTipline Data.” Last modified 2021. Accessed September 12, 2024. https://www.missingkids.org/cybertiplinedata.
^ National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. CyberTipline 2023 Report. Alexandria, VA: National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, 2024.

Done Scaledish! Talkish? Statish. 03:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed some copyvio from this-- -- Diannaa (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to Child sexual abuse material

Just wanted to add my support for this article to be moved to "Child sexual abuse material".

Multiple sources have already been shared above, I'll add one: Task Force Argos, an Australia police unit, clearly explains that "porn" is made between consentent people. Speaking of "child porn" (with children or even infants) completely inaccurately reflects that the children have been abused.

https://play.listnr.com/podcast/disclosed

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/387-hunting-warhead

LexisVD (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has already been discussed twice before. You can read the two discussions [1] [2]. Badbluebus (talk) 17:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2025

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SaaS Platforms used to catch what should never have never been uploaded in the first place. https://www.youtube.com/csai-match/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna/CloudService?oneroute=true https://protectingchildren.google/intl/en/#alliances-and-programs https://us.vobile.com/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/products/ai-services/ai-vision/#overview

Law in United States §2422. Coercion and enticement (a) Whoever knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, to engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

(b) Whoever, using the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.

FedLawAuditing (talk) 23:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have not said what change you are suggesting be made to the wording of the article. Exactly what text, if any, do you wish to see added to the article, and what text, if any, you wish to see removed? JBW (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. “CyberTipline Data.” Last modified 2021. Accessed September 12, 2024. https://www.missingkids.org/cybertiplinedata.

[2] National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. CyberTipline 2023 Report. Alexandria, VA: National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, 2024.

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